gorn - Zadnja sporočila

Se opravičujem, če se nisem jasno izrazil. Popolnoma spoštujem le dvolične primere za nujne primere in če jih ljudje zlorabljajo, mi je žal. Naša skupina za vodenje del upravlja z zavetišči na Češkem, zato verjamem, da vem, kakšno delo je. S plačevanjem nastanitve nimam težav in edini razlog, da je nismo storili, je ta, da je zelo težko najti posodobljene kontaktne podatke za nekatere koče in težko komunicirati po elektronski pošti z nekaterimi. (automatic translation, sorry if it is funny)

I apologize if I did not make myself clear. I fully respect bivack for emergencyies only, and if there are people misusing it I am sorry for them. Our ḿountaneiring group operates shelters in Czechia, so beleive that I know what work is it. I have no problem paying for accomodation and the only reason we did not do one is that it is very difficult to find up to date contact info for some of the huts and difficult email communication with some of them.

@n3jc

We do not depend on bivaks not count on them. I respect their emergency purpose. I also edited the map and marked Frischaufov dom as burned down.


Thanks for your advice, it seems to me that if we stay in Klemenča jama, than we probably shorten the plan and use Turski žleb to get back to Dom v Kamniški Bistrici. We are ready for viaferrata, so if weather permits it will be nice.

Second option will be to reach something like Dom planincov in the first day and sleap outside, which will make the second day less drastic.


Slovenian (automatic) translation:

Nismo odvisni od bivakov in ne računamo nanje. Spoštujem njihov nujni namen. Urejal sem tudi zemljevid in označil Frischaufov dom kot zgorel.


Hvala za nasvet, zdi se mi, da če ostanemo v Klemenči jami, verjetno načrt skrajšamo in uporabimo Turski žleb, da se vrnemo v Dom v Kamniški Bistrici. Pripravljeni smo na viaferrata, zato bo, če vreme dopušča, lepo.

Druga možnost bo doseči nekaj takega, kot je Dom planincov, prvi dan in poležavanje zunaj, kar bo drugi dan manj drastično.

@Janez Seliškar: Razpravljamo o dvodnevnem izletu pod Mrzlo goro in nasvetih zanj. Če je za to boljše mesto, mi pošljite povezavo.

@cofee on closer look at the map https://en.mapy.cz/s/mujafutafa there are parts which are T4 difficulty (red dots), but there are no marks for ferratas. This might be the reason why you say that reality is defferent.

@cofee I won't translate this to my gilfriend. She is fine with any kind of rain, but onece there is a lightning she stops speaking on the other hand she is much better snadrock climber than me ...

That sounds like a prette comparable to Tatras, usually we would take only raincoats and if we see a storm, than we know where to hide ...

@cofee If I take Tatra mountains (comparable mountins in Slovaki> even if the forecast is fine it may change during one day. How stable it is in your Alps? Currently the link you snet me says for 5-6. July (dates of our hike) minimal temperature in night around 3 degrees which should be fine for me, but not for my gilfriend - she is a mountaineer but hates cold nights

@djimuzl I am really looking forward to these views.

If we were able to secure accomodation in Dom planincov or even Frischauf Lodge I think that during first day we might be able to end up there.

If we take a tent like @cofee suggests, than we might try to risk it and come without reservation and in worst case we end up in a tent.

Guys tranks very much for your advice, it makes me really look forward to next week, for ferratas we are bringing "montainers seets" and express carabines (sorry do not know right name in English).

@cofee - on the map I use there are two very difficult parts betwean Kranj Lodge and Cescka koca, after that they are marked difficult and normal. So you are saying, that that verydifficul are also above Czeska kocha direction Kokorsko sedlo.

BTW one of the things I want to do on our road is correctly mark the difficulty of paths in OpenstreetMaps.

(We are fit for a ferrata and we do climb on sandrock for example, but we will be tired at that point so I think we rather avoid it, especially if it is "very difficult" grade)

Aha, I must look at path grades more closely, it is not contained in map I have as far as I know. Are there any good online trail maps? We do plan to get the paper one thought ...

Also if we see that it is too far we can decide to go through Turski žleb for the second day.

@cofee

That is a great idea, but we consider to go without tent and sleaping bags for emergency cases only. We do not know the place so well to set up tent just anywhere, but if you say it is allowed, than we might think about it. However it still means to take tent = more weight.

However the pont with water is very well, we are certainly taking lot of water with us to be sure and/or just buy it in kučas, money is not real problem here.

@garmont, sorry if it is not interesting for you if there were better place to ask, I would certainly move there.

@cofee thanks a lot!

We are not going to use bivak unless in bug trouble (which they have been made for I beleive).

We would go further in first day, but we were not able to secure reservation further on the road and we do not want to "risk" staying outside.

Thanks for the weather link, we have very good weather forecast in Czechia so I do not want to rely on the "global" forceast, but Norway model tends to be very good for Europe, at least for Czechia.

Thanks a lot, I have been able to reach the Klemenča Jama to get reservation. Is that true that kuča means basically simple hotel with beds and sheets and bivak means small emergency shelter with own sleaping back but principially free and open?

Now we wonder whether we can go in one day from Klemenča Jama through the walley, Jazersko sadlo, near following Slovenska planinska pot to Kokrsko Sadlo and reach Dom v Kamniški Bistrici. It looks like very long for one day (theoretically 10hrs, but who knows).

What are the typicall temperatures these days?